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Alternatives to DraftSight ( or any DWG viewer with editing function )

Unfortunately it requires Windows 10 Professional and for various reasons I have no intention of "upgrading". That leaves me with the choice of either one of the open source packages or paying for DraftSight. If it was a one time fee of $99 I would go for it but they want $99 a year and and I don't use it enough to justify that.

The older versions definitely will stop working, according to Dassault Systemes.

"All free versions of DraftSight (2018 or earlier) will cease to run after 12/31/2019."

2D 3D CAD Software Download | DRAFTSIGHT™ - Dassault Systemes(R)

I'm fairly certain it doesn't require it.

You will see the exact same thing no matter where you go. Nobody is supporting W7/8 anymore. Doesn't mean the thing won't work.
 
I'm fairly certain it doesn't require it.

You will see the exact same thing no matter where you go. Nobody is supporting W7/8 anymore. Doesn't mean the thing won't work.

It appears you are correct.

"Due to the potential for critical issues on these older operating systems, Solid Edge 2020 could be the last Solid Edge release that installs on Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."

System Requirements | Solid Edge | Product Development Software

I guess I will download it and give it a try but I've also downloaded and installed LibreCAD ....... just in case! LibreCAD seems capable of doing most of what I want and is easy to use so I'll keep it as a backup. It's likely Solid Edge will stop working on the older systems in the future and I likely will go with Linux as my next operating system.

I could afford to pay the $99 a year for DraftSight but that price might go up substantially AND they talk about migrating in future to "the cloud" and that is something I will never do.
 
I had problems trying to install Solid Edge on my Win 7 system so until something better comes along I will use LibreCAD for 2D and I've also downloaded and installed FreeCAD for small 3D stuff. Both are open source and available for multiple platforms.

Most likely some functionality lost vs more sophisticated programs but the plus side is no future notices like the one about DraftSight.
 
I had problems trying to install Solid Edge on my Win 7 system so until something better comes along I will use LibreCAD for 2D and I've also downloaded and installed FreeCAD for small 3D stuff. Both are open source and available for multiple platforms.

Most likely some functionality lost vs more sophisticated programs but the plus side is no future notices like the one about DraftSight.

Scotti,
I too was a Draftsight user. I switched to Linux in 2008 when I retired (30 years Autocad experience) and Draftsight was available in a Linux version. I suffered thru their ridiculous forced upgrades and a couple of bad releases, but by and large it served it's purpose for a full featured 2D only package. I have also used Progecad smart 2009, which is an Autocad clone both under windows (XP, Vista, 7, & 10), and under linux using Wine. Progecad is very good, although it's an older program requiring older .dwg formats. Nanocad is another possibility for windows users--never could get it to run under Wine, but runs well on my win 7 laptop. I liked Progecad best, partly because once you download and install it, you are never bothered with upgrades, version changes or other phone home bullsh*t. Unfortunately. Progecad doesn't run well on newer distros of Linux, even under older wine versions, so I'm now using Librecad and find it usable but missing a lot of features of the Windows autocad clones. I've done quite a few drawings in Librecad now, and breaking old autocad habits is the biggest hurdle to becoming proficient. (Where is that right-click functionality???).

Good luck, I'm sure you'll be able to find something to fill your 2d cad needs, especially if you're a windows user.

Regards,
Bob
 
I guess I will download it and give it a try but I've also downloaded and installed LibreCAD ....... just in case! LibreCAD seems capable of doing most of what I want and is easy to use so I'll keep it as a backup. It's likely Solid Edge will stop working on the older systems in the future and I likely will go with Linux as my next operating system.
If you are planning on going Loonix, then I'd watch for a copy of Cadkey 7 and run it in a DOS box. It's a nice nice nice 3D wireframe CAD program, professional, excellent drafting, just a super program for high quality drawings.

Another option is an old DOS version of Bobcad. Just use the CAD part, the CAM kind of sucks. I think version 14 is the last DOS one. It's nowhere near as capable as Cadkey and doesn't look pretty but boy is it fast. I gave a copy to a friend who was running some much newer Windows software and he threw them out, went with antique blobcad. It is quick.

If you run stuff in a virtual machine you don't have to deal with this 'upgrade' crap.

I haven't found any open sores cad programs I really like. They all seem like they were designed by a bunch of ernest sixth-graders.
 
OK, just resurrecting this thread to give an update on what I ended up with.
After a whole lot of not doing a whole lot about it ( and kissing a few frogs in the process ) I ended up making the final decision between BricsCAD and ProgeCAD.
Brics is quite a bit more capable package as a whole, and I might be purchasing a seat for myself at some point, but since I only needed 2D drafting and full compatibility with AutoCAD, I've decided on ProgeCAD.
They both mimic the real AutoCAD UI quite closely, but somehow Proge felt just a bit closer.

Anyhow, if someone out there is still partially stuck in the past such as myself, and want to have a very capable free-form drafting tool that is full featured, does not feel like a cludged together garbage, available as perpetual license and is compatible with AutoCAD DWG, both, BricsCAD and ProgeCAD is entirely up to the task.
Proge wins on price, Brics wins on extra features.
 
fwiw. been using latest version of Freecad for a while now. has got way better than previous versions.
got tired of all subscription/licence BS.
never used it with 2d dwg stuff though. would think it would work though
 
OK, just resurrecting this thread to give an update on what I ended up with.
After a whole lot of not doing a whole lot about it ( and kissing a few frogs in the process ) I ended up making the final decision between BricsCAD and ProgeCAD.
Brics is quite a bit more capable package as a whole, and I might be purchasing a seat for myself at some point, but since I only needed 2D drafting and full compatibility with AutoCAD, I've decided on ProgeCAD.
They both mimic the real AutoCAD UI quite closely, but somehow Proge felt just a bit closer.

Anyhow, if someone out there is still partially stuck in the past such as myself, and want to have a very capable free-form drafting tool that is full featured, does not feel like a cludged together garbage, available as perpetual license and is compatible with AutoCAD DWG, both, BricsCAD and ProgeCAD is entirely up to the task.
Proge wins on price, Brics wins on extra features.
Did you try LibreCAD ? (opensource)
 
You've got to be kidding. It sucks. No, S-U-C-K-S sucks. It's junk, garbage, trash, stinkypoo throwup that missed the toilet. It was junk when it was qcad and renaming it hasn't helped.

Don't waste your time. Worthless.
I don't agree!

it doesn't satisfy your needs, that's all.
 
Why aren't you doing the drawings in Inventor? I'm not following why you would make a parametric 3d model and punt out a dwg that is no longer linked to the parent model then dimension it.
 
why you would make a parametric 3d model and punt out a dwg that is no longer linked to the parent model then dimension it.

Most important point highlighted!
Second, all parametric drafting tools suck for ... well drafting.
They're designed to document your model properly, but beyond that they are utter garbage.

In fact I cannot fathom how some ( most perhaps ) of you guys get away with nothing but parametric models?
What do you do for shop drawings? How do you document your process with geometry?
How do you design some of the fixtures or tooling?
How do you make inspection drawings for in-process jobs?

Did you try LibreCAD ? (opensource)

Maybe I did back then, and perhaps it was one of the frogs that remained ugly no matter how many kisses.
 
Second, all parametric drafting tools suck for ... well drafting.
They're designed to document your model properly, but beyond that they are utter garbage.

In fact I cannot fathom how some ( most perhaps ) of you guys get away with nothing but parametric models?
Have you ever heard of Pro/E ? Been around a while, quite a few large concerns seem to have a fair degree of success with it ....
 
Have you ever heard of Pro/E ? Been around a while, quite a few large concerns seem to have a fair degree of success with it ....
Hear of it? Of course.
Use it? No.
But if it is anything like the Inventor or Solidworks drawing environment and is parametric-only, then I believe it also sucks.
Autodesk itself is clearly stating that the drawing env. in Inventor is NOT the replacement of AutoCAD and was never intended to be.
There is a way to maintain a link between an Inventor DWG and AutoCAD, edit it even in ACAD, but that is all about it.

I know NX can do wonders, so perhaps Pro/E does too.

In any case, I only stated that I will not be saying bye bye to 2D drawing and 2D CAD in my lifetime.
 
Sigh. It'd be a vast improvement here if people only made statements where they actually had experience. Of course that'd cut things down to about two posts per day, if they limited discussion to where people might have half a chance of having a clue.
You wouldn't have much to write about if that were the case.

BTW, you been on holiday lately or what?
 
shall I report this or would you like a flame war ? Was that necessary ?

Seymore said something totally false and stupid. If this is supposed to be a place where people have a clue, then that kind of crap shouldn't slide. Pro/e and wildfire (same-o same-o) are totally parametric, yet they have excellent drafting capabilities.

I believe there are others but I used the one I actually know about and have used as an example. A few other people could try that approach.

Maybe it'd be nice to have a lot less "I think" .... "it seems like" ... "I imagine" ... and other useless horseshit.


SIck of stupid crap. Idiots who couldn't drill two holes in a straight line running off at the mouth. The quality of both questions and answers has gone into the toilet.

We now return you to the monport laser discussion group ....
No it wasn't necessary, just low hanging fruit and a moment of weakness...

Seymour and I have argued about this before. I disagree with him and can't wrap my head around his logic. But then I always despised autocad and he adores it, so...
 








 
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