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Barnes foot powerd lathe information?

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Aug 15, 2002
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Ingleside, TX,, USA
I am looking for information, manual, instructions, etc. on a WF & John Barnes No. 4 1/2 Velocipede Screw-Cutting Lathe. I am looking for parts, tail stock, tool holder, bench pedals, seat, etc. as well. Any information od places I might find these would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have a complete 4-1/2 in Houston that is not for sale, however, I can probably help on some of the parts' dimensions. I seriously doubt that there ever was a parts or operators manual--my dad bought mine for me on the day before Christmas in 1957 from the original owner who had bought it new about 1890. Do you have the threading chart that originally was mounted on the left front cast iron leg? Do you have all of the change gears? What is the serial number on yours: it's on the front spindle bearing cap. I can make you a copy of the chart if you need it. The gears appear to be 16 DP, with a 14-1/2 PA, as they seem to mesh "right" with those of my Logan `10x24, but they may be slightly different.

Let me know if I can help--too bad you're 200++ miles away.

Art (Houston)
 
Now I know--I've looked at the "old_lathe" PICs you posted at "Metalworking.com"--why you didn't know what it was. The "W. F. and John Barnes" is cast in raised lettering on the legs--the "4-1/2" is on the brass threading chart which I see that you have. You really need a lot of stuff...and you'll have a rough time being able to find any of it...to make it back into a pre-Humpty-Dumpty "Velocipede" sytle again. Those little leggies you have look definately
"after market" and not OEM.

I can help with some ideas for motorizing it--slow speed since it does have front Babbitt spindle bearings and fractional HP. Mine had been motorized with a 1/4 HP AC motor by the original owner...somewhere back in time.
Alternatively, the mechanism designed by Dave Gingery for his cast aluminum metal lathe would work extremely well ( http://www.lindsaybooks.com ).

You can adjust the split front bearing with appropriately placed shims: metal, celluoid, or paper. Recently, when I dissassembled my front bearing I found the pieces of typing paper that my Dad had used in 1957. I see that you have the non-compound type of cross slide, however, if you look underneath it--between it and the top of the bed--you'll notice that there is a nut: it tightens the cross slide after you swivel it to the angle you want to "cross slide" at. Be careful--use a lot of penetrant--let it soak in--and GENTLE non-metallic mallet tapping to get it to swivel after loosening the nut.

The dual longitudinal feed screws are fun to use as you can reverse feed direction on the fly with the half screw knob. Threading is sort of a PITA, but was easy for someone pedaling as he only had to stop and then pedal in the opposite direction to return the cutter to the start position. If you use a motor you'll have to disengage it, turn it off, wait until it stops, and then using a DPDT reversing swtich, reverse the current direction to the start windings, turn on the power, re-engage the motor belting, and return to the start of the cut.
There isn't a threading dial, so NEVER, disengage the half-nut or you've just "screwed up".

The tool post is relatively easy to fabricate as it is of the characteristic "lantern" style. The tailstock you'll probably need to make also: suggest, again, perhaps one like in Gingery's book--I could make you some dimensioned sketchs of the one on mine if you wish...but, don't expect them tomorrow.
Order Gingery's book first.
 
Here are several links I found on the Barnes lathe that you may or may not have discovered. I have a 4 1/2 that I have been using for the past 20 years, it still turns parts. The bed, headstock, tailstock and carriage with cross slide seem to be the original. I don't have the pedestal with the foot peddled drive or the complete set of change gears. If anybody is interested in it contact me, I am getting rid of it. Don't have time to restore it and need a productive machine.

http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Barnes/Catalogs.asp
http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html
http://www.tooltimer.com/barnes.html
http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/advert/ay25.htm
http://www.ostermanminiatures.com/barnes2.html
http://www.ostermanminiatures.com/barnes.html
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Barnes/Catalogs.asp
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Barnes/Default.asp
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/Barnes/History.asp
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8108/footpower.html

Some pictures:
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[This message has been edited by DDS (edited 10-04-2002).]
 








 
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