Joe Michaels
Diamond
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2004
- Location
- Shandaken, NY, USA
We are in the midst of repairs to our Alco S-1 diesel locomotive. This locomotive has the McIntosh & Seymour 539 diesel engine, naturally aspirated, about 12 x 13" cylinders. Each cylinder has its own head. Each head has a "spigot" or "ring tongue" which seat in a circular groove machined in the top end of each cylinder liner. Originally, the design used a ground joint between the bottom of the "tongue" on the heads and the seating land at the bottom of the circular groove.
Over time, this ground joint develops leakage. If caught in time, the fix is to install a copper "fire ring gasket". Unfortunately, this locomotive developed a head/liner joint leak last season, and while we cut out the injection pump on that cylinder, it still puffed through the leakage path for the operating season.
This spring, we pulled the head off that cylinder. There was heavy "wire drawing" (erosion due to the leakage of high pressure gasses, probably some at high temperatures when the pump on that cylinder was not cut out). The bottom of the cylinder's "tongue" looks like someone took a cutting torch to it. The bottom of the the liner groove (which I have not seen first hand) is reported to be "better", but still wire drawn.
We have been rebuilding a reconditioned head (new seats were installed prior to our getting this head), and it has a good seating surface on the tongue.
That brings up the matter of the seating/sealing surface in the liner. The copper fire ring gasket is flat annealed copper, 0.020" thick. Not much chance of it taking up much beyond very shallow leakage paths. We do not have another cylinder liner to change into the engine, so have to make the liner that is there work.
My idea is to lap in the bottom land of the circular groove in the liner. Unfortunately, the other heads are on the locomotive, so there is no way to use the reconditioned head to lap against the liner's seating surface. That set me to thinking of making a lapping tool. The first thought was to get a disc of cast iron to make the lapping tool. Of course, a disc of cast iron about 15" diameter x 2 or 3 inches thick is not easy to come by. Thinking of what was readily available, I came up with the idea of using the flywheel from a GM diesel truck engine. It is the right diameter, and should be cast iron. A buddy gave me a flywheel off a running engine (he got a new clutch kit with new flywheel). I machined an arbor with a "pilot" to fit snugly into the bore in the flywheel, and enough shank so we can get a handle on it to turn it during the lapping. We will machine a "dummy" ring tongue on the flywheel, replicating what is on the cylinder head, only a touch deeper.
Having got to this point, I am now thinking: "what do we use for lapping compound ?" Choices are to start with a coarse grit "Clover" lapping compound, or, to use "Timesaver" coarse grit for cast iron bearings. The unknowns here are:
-is the liner harder iron than the flywheel ? My thinking is the liners were often centrifugally cast from "gun iron", so am hoping the liner will be harder than the truck flywheel/lapping tool.
- how deep is the wire drawing, and will coarse lapping compound take it down to a good surface ? I've lapped in horribly wire drawn steam stop valves with 10" diameter discs using what used to be called "railroad grade" lapping compound (no longer available). The coarsest grit is either 60 grit or 40 grit now available.
-can we turn the lapping tool with a 3/4" electric drill motor for the roughing down rather than have to sit there twisting the tool up and back a few times, then advancing it a portion of a turn and starting the same repetitive cycle (as you do when grinding in engine valves) ? My fear is that using a drill motor to turn the lapping tool will result in circular scoring, so I am shying from this, but at the same time, we need to remove some material in order to get an unbroken seating surface.
I am probably over-analyzing this, but it is uncharted waters with only once chance to get things done right. Any suggestions as to lapping method (twist and turn vs drill motor), or lapping compounds to use are greatly appreciated. I know Time Saver will work to lap in a cast iron bearing with a steel journal, which is sort of what we are trying to do. On the other hand, my gut is telling me to just get a can of the coarsest "Clover" lapping compound and grind things in with that. The lap will be faced square to the arbor and flat, and we are starting with a freshly machined lap. By moving the lap around as one does when grinding in engine valves, we should be able to get a relatively flat surface, or at least flat enough that the copper gasket can do the rest. I imagine a couple of thousandths out of flat over the circumference of the joint are sealable as long as there are no wire-drawn grooves. We'll machine the lap this week, based on the measurements of the ring-tongue on the reconditioned cylinder head. Any recommendations as to surface finish on the lap ? Smooth surface finish, or a coarse facing cut to provide some spiral grooving to hold/work the lapping compound against the surface of the liner ?
Thanks !
Joe Michaels
Over time, this ground joint develops leakage. If caught in time, the fix is to install a copper "fire ring gasket". Unfortunately, this locomotive developed a head/liner joint leak last season, and while we cut out the injection pump on that cylinder, it still puffed through the leakage path for the operating season.
This spring, we pulled the head off that cylinder. There was heavy "wire drawing" (erosion due to the leakage of high pressure gasses, probably some at high temperatures when the pump on that cylinder was not cut out). The bottom of the cylinder's "tongue" looks like someone took a cutting torch to it. The bottom of the the liner groove (which I have not seen first hand) is reported to be "better", but still wire drawn.
We have been rebuilding a reconditioned head (new seats were installed prior to our getting this head), and it has a good seating surface on the tongue.
That brings up the matter of the seating/sealing surface in the liner. The copper fire ring gasket is flat annealed copper, 0.020" thick. Not much chance of it taking up much beyond very shallow leakage paths. We do not have another cylinder liner to change into the engine, so have to make the liner that is there work.
My idea is to lap in the bottom land of the circular groove in the liner. Unfortunately, the other heads are on the locomotive, so there is no way to use the reconditioned head to lap against the liner's seating surface. That set me to thinking of making a lapping tool. The first thought was to get a disc of cast iron to make the lapping tool. Of course, a disc of cast iron about 15" diameter x 2 or 3 inches thick is not easy to come by. Thinking of what was readily available, I came up with the idea of using the flywheel from a GM diesel truck engine. It is the right diameter, and should be cast iron. A buddy gave me a flywheel off a running engine (he got a new clutch kit with new flywheel). I machined an arbor with a "pilot" to fit snugly into the bore in the flywheel, and enough shank so we can get a handle on it to turn it during the lapping. We will machine a "dummy" ring tongue on the flywheel, replicating what is on the cylinder head, only a touch deeper.
Having got to this point, I am now thinking: "what do we use for lapping compound ?" Choices are to start with a coarse grit "Clover" lapping compound, or, to use "Timesaver" coarse grit for cast iron bearings. The unknowns here are:
-is the liner harder iron than the flywheel ? My thinking is the liners were often centrifugally cast from "gun iron", so am hoping the liner will be harder than the truck flywheel/lapping tool.
- how deep is the wire drawing, and will coarse lapping compound take it down to a good surface ? I've lapped in horribly wire drawn steam stop valves with 10" diameter discs using what used to be called "railroad grade" lapping compound (no longer available). The coarsest grit is either 60 grit or 40 grit now available.
-can we turn the lapping tool with a 3/4" electric drill motor for the roughing down rather than have to sit there twisting the tool up and back a few times, then advancing it a portion of a turn and starting the same repetitive cycle (as you do when grinding in engine valves) ? My fear is that using a drill motor to turn the lapping tool will result in circular scoring, so I am shying from this, but at the same time, we need to remove some material in order to get an unbroken seating surface.
I am probably over-analyzing this, but it is uncharted waters with only once chance to get things done right. Any suggestions as to lapping method (twist and turn vs drill motor), or lapping compounds to use are greatly appreciated. I know Time Saver will work to lap in a cast iron bearing with a steel journal, which is sort of what we are trying to do. On the other hand, my gut is telling me to just get a can of the coarsest "Clover" lapping compound and grind things in with that. The lap will be faced square to the arbor and flat, and we are starting with a freshly machined lap. By moving the lap around as one does when grinding in engine valves, we should be able to get a relatively flat surface, or at least flat enough that the copper gasket can do the rest. I imagine a couple of thousandths out of flat over the circumference of the joint are sealable as long as there are no wire-drawn grooves. We'll machine the lap this week, based on the measurements of the ring-tongue on the reconditioned cylinder head. Any recommendations as to surface finish on the lap ? Smooth surface finish, or a coarse facing cut to provide some spiral grooving to hold/work the lapping compound against the surface of the liner ?
Thanks !
Joe Michaels