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Looking for Red / Green tower warning lights, that can be used with a timer.

DanASM

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I am looking for a red / green tower light that I can wire to a timer. I want to mount these on my machines and set the timer for the time it takes to run a 12' bar. When timer counts down to zero the light will change from green to red. Letting me know its time to change out a bar.

No cnc's with computer controls to wire into. I am kind of looking for something wireless, that I can move from machine to machine. Kind of like an alarm clock for deaf people (Flashing light).

Not having good luck with my search. I know the lights are available, I just cant figure out how to wire it to a timer yet.

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
 

gbent

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If you just want an interval timer, there are spring wound timers such as are used on whirlpool baths. There are about as many flavors of electronic interval timers as jellybeans.
 

DanASM

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Wouldn’t a timer wired to a relay do this? Wire one light to the NC side and the other to the NO side.
yes it would. I am currently looking for the timer.

I would have thought there would be something much simpler off the shelf. Portable would be great. I could put a magnet on it and use it on whatever machine I want to.

I was looking for a digital alarm clock that would light up when it went off, and would be easy to reset.
 

gbent

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You want the 2 circuit switch. Wire your light with a cord that will plug into the wall. Put the NC side of the switch into the hot side of the cord. Set the switch for whatever length of time desired, the red light will come on when the switch finishes counting down. If you want a green light as well, jumper the power to the NO side of the switch, and run a wire from the NO to the green light.
 

sfriedberg

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I am not sure what the current model numbers are (probably H3<something>, maybe H3DK-F?), but I use a number of Omron time delay relays for various purposes. The typical DIN-mount model has both NO and NC contacts, about 8 different reactions to opening and/or closing the control circult, and delays adjustable from a few seconds to 100 hours. I am sure there's something in their product line that could solve this problem, and if the lights are sufficiently low power you might not even need a power relay. I do have mine driving heavier power relays to switch AC loads the Omrom relays aren't rated for.
 

DanASM

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You want the 2 circuit switch. Wire your light with a cord that will plug into the wall. Put the NC side of the switch into the hot side of the cord. Set the switch for whatever length of time desired, the red light will come on when the switch finishes counting down. If you want a green light as well, jumper the power to the NO side of the switch, and run a wire from the NO to the green light.


This is pretty much what I was looking for. Pretty simple with no electricity required for the timer.

My machines do have a feature like this already. Most of them have a lever that rests on the 12' bar stock as it enters the spindle. When the bar gets shorter than the spindle liner, the lever drops and triggers the light or timer. We have never used these features and they might not take much to get back to working correctly.

I am just looking for a "warning light" to let me know to check the machine. Might be to clear chips at certain intervales, or to change a bar, etc. Just something to help me manage my time better.
 

DanASM

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+1 on using your phone as you can be out of the shop and still hear it

The only place I can hear my phone is out of the shop. I do not keep it on me as my hands are covered in cutting oil, and I cant hear it ring at all.

If I am out of the shop, there is no point in having an alarm on my phone. This only works if it is right at the machine being run.
 

hanermo

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There are lot of home automation gadgets that will do this, with a general relay signal, often both input and output, and often with wifi and alexa support.

Ideally, your gadget will time down, on it´s own, trigger a relay driving the light, and optionally after a delay that you set send alexa messages to any automation stuff you want to have.
And with the input line, alexa can know to count down and alert You, in endless ways, if the timer has not triggered for whatever reason, in a reasonable time period.

This can/will alert you if the bar is likely reaching it´s end --
and alert you even more if it really really should have triggered by now.

It´s an excellent reason to have wired input, wifi, and alexa support - all of them.

If for whatever reason your device failed, or the light bar failed, or the sensor, or the machine is jammed, YOU will still be alerted via alexa in reasonable time, by either email, or alexa hubs, or whatever other device you hook up.

The generic devices, like programmable led lights, tend to cost 50$ or so for a good one.
Good generic brands are tuya, and stuff that supports "smart life" the app. This is most of them.

You don´t ever need to use a smartphone for anything related - I mostly don´t - but it´s really easy and simple to program the devices with the phone / pc - I only use PCs for real work.

My workshop lights get turned on/off by voice commands, and my security/deco wall property lights get turned on/off automatically by alexa at 7 and 5 am, and turn on if rain or a storm is coming.
This is more useful than You might think.

When carrying anything, sometimes delicate or heavy, I can always get lots of lights in the shop by calling for lights.
And dim the lounge lights so watching TV is better, without getting off the sofa/chair.
The house walls are always automatically lighted, greatly deterring potential issues, and making obvious people are living and working there - even if we are away.

Note !
I very clearly said "the relay counts down" ! not alexa.
Do NOT rely on alexa or any internet service as the *primary* mechanism.

Use the endless smart gadgets for fantastic layered backup with very high availability and endless easy programming for free.
And great cheap flexibility.
The primary switch should be hard wired, a timed relay, or security lights sensor (with wifi is good), or something similar.

Anything cheap wired is going to be 50x less reliable than the mass-produced stuff with wifi and alexa.
Yes, it will.
A really good wired connection with a reliable or even redundant relay, and both positive and negative wires and sensors will cost 1000$++ in parts alone.

But a cheap relay that ALSO triggers a secondary redundant separate timer via alexa and the net and does not depend on anything in your shop is nice to have.
For cheap.

I used to make and live off very very very reliable IT / electrical / automation / programming stuff.
xx years ago.
It´s vastly harder than one thinks, and everything is much worse than people think (unless they ran a critical-services 24x7 operator).

If you want help, I´ll advise - but you mostly wont need any.

My 0.03€.
It´s 50% more but worth every penny.
 

tomjelly

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GA
Got to put it on ring PLUS vibrate. If thats not enough I wonder if there is a phone app that can trigger an external alarm of some sort based on its timer. Maybe generate a message to trigger a wifi capable relay to turn on a light. Shouldn't be too difficult to do edit- my reply was simultaneous with the one above...
 

hanermo

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barcelona, spain
Absolutely agree !
My post nr 12 addresses this in detail.
I NEVER answer my phone -- and can go 2 weeks without missing it.
All *real* work stuff is emails - with some small telegram or whatsapp mixed in, mostly friends.

The only place I can hear my phone is out of the shop. I do not keep it on me as my hands are covered in cutting oil, and I cant hear it ring at all.

If I am out of the shop, there is no point in having an alarm on my phone. This only works if it is right at the machine being run.
 








 
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