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DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (1-17)​

Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:
  • 5 die from gun violence
  • 3 are murdered
  • 17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
  • 8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
  • 2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide
  • 8 children and teens are unintentionally shot in instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death
^^^False analogies above seems a bit like a, "Burps and farts", politician sentiment expressed after any shooting over there.

Intrigued with the constant Chicago comparisons here, the last stat I saw, it was barely in the top 10 places to get shot in the US.
 
I guess the other thing to bring up is the War on Drugs. It has worked out great for us, right ?

This swerves into the real problem I see intertwined in all of this.......Drugs.

Not illegal drugs, but prescription drugs.

Ask yourself this question:
Why have we NEVER been provided the type and amount of prescription drugs (if any) in any of these monster's systems? We have this knowledge somewhere because they all had documented autopsies.

Has there ever been a correlation between any/all of them?

Has there ever been a push to NOT inform the public of these supposed correlations?

My spidey sense tells me that there is something rotten in Delaware.( to coin a phrase).
 
This swerves into the real problem I see intertwined in all of this.......Drugs.

Not illegal drugs, but prescription drugs.

Ask yourself this question:
Why have we NEVER been provided the type and amount of prescription drugs (if any) in any of these monster's systems? We have this knowledge somewhere because they all had documented autopsies.

Has there ever been a correlation between any/all of them?

Has there ever been a push to NOT inform the public of these supposed correlations?

My spidey sense tells me that there is something rotten in Delaware.( to coin a phrase).

I have not personally looked into this topic, though it may be worth for the proper researchers to look at it if it hasn't happened yet. I must say though it's being brought up from time to time like a conspiracy theory and an attempt to find a simple answer to a complex problem.

Impact of the illicit drug trade on the other hand is quite quantifiable. Americans want to get high, and no amount of regulation can prevent that from happening. Instead the demand will be satisfied through the underground economy, and the side-effects will contribute to the stats in the post #201. We have spent many billions of dollars over the decades, created massive agencies and law enforcement programs, along with the prison-industrial complex, and... drug trade related violence is still probably the single largest category in our murder stats. Clearly it's working, and we should apply the same approach to solving the problem of mass shootings :D
 
Intrigued with the constant Chicago comparisons here, the last stat I saw, it was barely in the top 10 places to get shot in the US.

Ok, I'll bite.

Please give us YOUR top ten places in the U.S. to get shot..........We're waiting.

P.S. If Chicago ISN'T in the bottom two.... well you know.
 
I have not personally looked into this topic, though it may be worth for the proper researchers to look at it if it hasn't happened yet. I must say though it's being brought up from time to time like a conspiracy theory and an attempt to find a simple answer to a complex problem.

This appears to be heading into another realm of "debate" here.

At the risk of trodding on testicles, I'll try to answer in a civilized manner.

To defame the idea as a "conspiracy theory" is insulting.

As a purely anecdotal statement, I personally know of at least twenty close personal families with male children.

All but two have had issues with the medical community with regards to prescriptions for their boys.

If the doctor says the kid needs Adderall you get it.

There are many more powerful drugs out there that are suspected to do things we don't fully know about.

I think we should not reject it out of hand, that's all.
 
This appears to be heading into another realm of "debate" here.

At the risk of trodding on testicles, I'll try to answer in a civilized manner.

To defame the idea as a "conspiracy theory" is insulting.

As a purely anecdotal statement, I personally know of at least twenty close personal families with male children.

All but two have had issues with the medical community with regards to prescriptions for their boys.

If the doctor says the kid needs Adderall you get it.

There are many more powerful drugs out there that are suspected to do things we don't fully know about.

I think we should not reject it out of hand, that's all.

Your wording specifically implied a conspiracy :

Why have we NEVER been provided the type and amount of prescription drugs (if any) in any of these monster's systems? We have this knowledge somewhere because they all had documented autopsies.

A random opinion piece with references I googled up just now : https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/16/whats-behind-dubious-claim-psychiatric-drugs-fuel-/

And a disclaimer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact#Allegations_of_political_bias
 
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When your response includes a "church of scientology" source, you've officially jumped the shark.

Thanks for playing, try again.

With RELEVANT (I.E. up to date) info.
 
Random C&P scraped off the internet.

"How quickly they (progressive liberals, democrats, and outright socialists) forget how loudly they cheered when Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky made good on his promise: “We will give weapons to anyone who wants to defend the country. Be ready to support Ukraine in the squares of our cities.” Within a week of the war beginning, Zelensky allowed distribution of 18,000 fully automatic assault rifles and untold amounts of ammunition to anyone and everyone who would take them. No training required, no registration required, no rifle safety course. Automatic weapons to everyone."


But that can never happen here......
 
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

If we do not learn from those who have gone before, what hope is there?
 
"church of scientology" tells me that I should STOP reading.

Once again, try again.
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Ok, I'll bite.

Please give us YOUR top ten places in the U.S. to get shot..........We're waiting.

P.S. If Chicago ISN'T in the bottom two.... well you know.

Multiple sources would seem to agree, despite the common perception here.
RankCityStateMurder Rate PopulationDensity (mi²)
1St. LouisMissouri69.400/mi²
2BaltimoreMaryland51.100/mi²
3New OrleansLouisiana40.600/mi²
4DetroitMichigan39.700/mi²
5ClevelandOhio33.700/mi²
6Las VegasNevada31.400/mi²
7Kansas CityMissouri31.200/mi²
8MemphisTennessee27.100/mi²
9NewarkNew Jersey25.600/mi²
10ChicagoIllinois240/mi²
 
Multiple sources would seem to agree, despite the common perception here.
RankCityStateMurder RatePopulationDensity (mi²)
1St. LouisMissouri69.400/mi²
2BaltimoreMaryland51.100/mi²
3New OrleansLouisiana40.600/mi²
4DetroitMichigan39.700/mi²
5ClevelandOhio33.700/mi²
6Las VegasNevada31.400/mi²
7Kansas CityMissouri31.200/mi²
8MemphisTennessee27.100/mi²
9NewarkNew Jersey25.600/mi²
10ChicagoIllinois240/mi²

That said, it isn't the political PARTY, per se.

It's the POLICIES implemented BY those in power.

Dems just attract more "virtue-signalling" rascals that place cop-hating / defunding and right to "no-bail at a higher priority than having safer shiddy's.
 
On the comments about anti-depressants being a potential cause of gun related crime, I'd offer an alternative explanation.

I have suffered severe clinical depression (caused by a year of over work and lack of management support. 112 hour weeks fry your brain after a while). At the end of a year, I was in such a state that people couldn't even disagree with me over anything without me yelling and screaming at them. The effects on my family and young kids were very bad.

Once I realised that there was a problem with me, sought medical help, started taking anti-depressants and getting some talking therapy, I turned into a much nicer person. It took about 10 years to undo the damage that one year caused and I'm still on a low dose of 'happy pills' 21 years later.

The point being that the medications might not be the cause of the murderous behaviour. They might just be over represented in killers because those people needed them in the first place.
 
Getting off topic somewhat now but BBC radio did a recent reading of the book “ Empire Of Pain “ regarding the Sackler family pharmaceutical company. I found it pretty jaw dropping to be honest.

Regards Tyrone.
Not sure if it is "off topic"?

"Modern" societies, in general, seem to be waaaaay TF "overmedicated" ....compared to (my era, 1945 vintage) parents (1910 & 1922) and Grandparent's (1880's) day.

Do we "really" know - and UNDERSTAND - even ten percent of the positive/negative effects - and side-effects - of all that?

Or the negatives carried in our food & drink?
 
Not sure if it is "off topic"?

"Modern" societies, in general, seem to be waaaaay TF "overmedicated" ....compared to (my era, 1945 vintage) parents (1910 & 1922) and Grandparent's (1880's) day.

Do we "really" know - and UNDERSTAND - even ten percent of the positive/negative effects - and side-effects - of all that?

Or the negatives carried in our food & drink?
What I found jaw dropping about the issue was that the powers that be knew how damaging their product was yet continued selling it. I thought we’d learnt our lesson with “ Thalidomide “.

There’s guy who’s a sufferer that lives near me. Unfortunately he has no arms at all. I nearly fell over the first time I saw him open his car door with his foot, get in, and then drive off ! It was really weird to see the steering wheel moving on its own. A tribute to the human spirit.

Regards Tyrone
 
I wasn't going to engage in this thread but I will say that something should be done.
Perhaps the NRA could suggest the age 21 buy rule.
The government is afraid to do anything because they are more interested in votes.
NRA members might tell the NRA that they approve of this action.
We have to figure out some way to keep guns out of the hands of these nutcase people, and still allow guns for proper use (in my opinion).

Agree that I know kids who are 10 years old who are sensible and safe with guns and would try to not do anything foolish with them, in order to not lose our gun privileges and gun rights.

*And to gun instructors, We need to tell kids and adults that we need to try to never do anything foolish with a gun to help keep our gun privileges and rights.
 
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And I will add this, any terrorist killer (adult?), one who kills people he/she doesn't even know who is deemed sane, should have a simple, inexpensive PG-13 in public hanging.

I had a friend who witnessed the last head chop in France, He said if you see a guy's head chopped off you would never do that crime. I think that perpetrator killed a cop(?).
 
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