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DDoug

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As much as I dont like Trudeau , how is it his fault that were in a climate catastrophe ?
I understand a lot more should be done about emissions and climate change but !
And trust me we arent enjoying the smoke and destruction either.
So your buying into Greta's agenda.....
Selective logging, controlled burns, more fire fighters, etc.
Trudope is off on the private island and the only smoke he is breathing is coming thru a Bong.

I'm coughing all the time because of his neglance.

I think we should send a bill to him for a few billion because of his emissions of carbon.
Why haven't the greenies started mass protesting ?
 
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Trboatworks

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Fascinating- clearly shows smoke density variability and the happenstance coalescing pattern as the plume moves to the east.
I can see the ‘hot spots’ which I have experienced here during bad days as those move through.

I note that presentation is ground level.
It would be interesting to see the stratification over the altitude profile.
I am guessing that the plume density is far higher at altitude and the ground level variation is a reflection of turbulence eddies.
Sitting here east of the Appalachian mountains we are going to see those eddies I would guess.
 
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Trboatworks

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So your buying into Greta's agenda.....
Selective logging, controlled burns, more fire fighters, etc.
Trudope is off on the private island and the only smoke he is breathing is coming thru a Bong.

I'm coughing all the time because of his neglance.

I think we should send a bill to him for a few billion because of his emissions of carbon.
Why haven't the greenies started mass protesting ?


The boreal forest is a huge band which circles the globe.
We are seeing fire incident increasing at higher temperatures and disturbances in rain distribution within that band.
Management of these effects is going to be tough.
The “Greta agenda” if you will is addressing the cause while your focus is blasting political figures for not adequately responding to effects.
Which is the better approach- both are needed now I would say.

There are piles of research into the wildfire dynamics in this biome.
One paper:


To get to ‘the bottom of it’ a wide survey of the issue as we understand it would have to be made before laying the blame on any particular agent.

Here is another thrust towards that goal:

 
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lucky7

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So your buying into Greta's agenda.....
Selective logging, controlled burns, more fire fighters, etc.
Trudope is off on the private island and the only smoke he is breathing is coming thru a Bong.

I'm coughing all the time because of his neglance.

I think we should send a bill to him for a few billion because of his emissions of carbon.
Why haven't the greenies started mass protesting ?

The boreal forrest is being converted by mother nature into grassland. Doubt Greta, or Trudeau, or Trump understand the basics. Climate is changing and the boreal isn’t sustainable with the new weather pattern. So previously existing wildfire cycles (unwisely delayed by humans in the past) are now much more severe. Firefighting (not meaning saving lives and towns which is obviously needed) only makes this worse long term. If we aren’t going to stop global warming there’s not a chance in slowing fire seasons like this one.

We humans caused the anthropocene. Now we get to live in its toxic soup.

Pretty damn depressing thoughts for such a gorgeous morning where I live… Back to morning reading over coffee :-)
 

Trboatworks

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The boreal forrest is being converted by mother nature into grassland.

Is that the transition then?
Not a shift of the deciduous forest north?

I do know the soil horizon is shallow there.

Edit-
A quick look and I had remembered that correctly:

“Soils in the boreal forest are typically podzols (from the Russian word for “ash”), gray soils that are thin, acidic, and poor in nutrients.”


One thing this means is the “silver lining” of increased breadth of grain belts towards the north is not gonna play out.
Buckle your seat belts fellas if droughts settle in over the current ones…
 
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lucky7

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Nice to see RAMP quoted. A friend used to work for them. More in the science of how beavers affected water table than soils, but learned a lot from them.

Seems transitions take time which rapid climate change isn’t allowing. My (limited) understanding is similar to yours, grainbelt isn’t moving as fast north as boreal is converting to grass. Grass apparently take thousands of years to build up good chernozem. Love that word ;-)

Deciduous and mixed forrest here in central and western Canada is being decimated by ash borer and drought. Don’t know as much about Labrador and Quebec’s forrest science.
 

Trboatworks

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One of the things the Ukraine conflict brought to my desk are the unique soil horizons present there in abundance which make the agricultural so extraordinarily productive.
One’s mind wanders over the hundreds of thousands of years taken to form the deposits and the glacier shield to the north which must have proscribed the grasslands required.

Chernozems.
Yes- an evocative word..


We have the extant biomes at our disposal and lack the luxury of the millennial time frames required to establish new ones.

A casual read but worth it.
It details a national treasure in topsoil literally blown away due to poor agricultural practices:

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empower

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From what I hear, drugs possession in Singapore carries a sentence of death. I wish we had that here. I also wish there was no differentiation between one gram and one ton. The idea that a little is OK is the seed of corruption.

Ben Franklin's famous saying that the best way to rid people of poverty is to make it as miserable as possible applies to dope as well. Make it horrendous to be caught with dope and you'd see it dry up right fast. Reward people for dope and it grows legs.

As for the smoke...I saw that the human lump mayor Eric Adams of NYC is putting on a press conference today at 10AM to address the smoke issue. I'm not going to waste time watching it, but I do have to wonder just what exactly he's going to say that would have the very slightest impact. Maybe he'll propose new laws against fires in other countries and outlaw smoke from fires in general. Of course, he'll need a government grant of a few hundred million to fight the smoke....
my brother just visited last month, they do NOT fuck around with crime there. fkn wild.
 

jaguar36

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It is incredibly dry around here, I'm surprised we haven't had any forest fires of our own. Its crazy for it to be this dry so early in the summer. Hope we get some rain soon or things are gonna be awful come august. Makes me glad I'm not a farmer.
 

Trboatworks

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There is ALWAYS more to read in getting behind these subjects:

 

michiganbuck

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DDoug said:
So your buying into Greta's agenda.....

Strides to make the USA the clean leader have led to China and India getting the bulk of jobs, where getting dirtier is legal and so making the world dirtier.
Go figure, our government and the ill-informed do gooders messing up again/still.
A darn shame much of Canada's woodland is on fire.
 

michiganbuck

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It seems like the government's idea favors our daughters becoming boys and our sons becoming girls..that can't reproduce children. is this for reducing the world population?
Allowing China and India to increase global warming and forest fires causes depletion of food production so the lower population can still have food.
The increasing USA population due to immigration can live in tents and poop on the streets with not having a sewer system... And be too poor to have cars, so fewer roads are needed.
Next, we will ration drinking water in the USA because some countries in the world are short of water..Putting chemical toilets in Michigan rest stops to save water while we still water the grass is an example of the great plan
Just love it when a plan comes together.

History tells us that corruption and stupidity have been the ruin of great societies and businesses.
 
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GregSY

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The climate crowd is part of the liberal movement, and the liberal movement - because they aren't actually working all day - have plenty of time to position themselves and devise ways to control the dialogue. They learned long ago the importance of that.

Notice how people - even those who are skeptical - will start out their statement with 'I know climate change is important but I'm not sure we really need to...' In other words, the perception is that the core issue - climate change - is a given and all that's left is to parse the details and specifics.

In fact, the basic premise - that the Earth is falling apart due to man's misdeeds - is bullshit...or at least hardly 'proven fact'. Sure, there are plenty of scientists publishing books - but they are hardly impartial. And, for every scientist who believes in climate change there is one who doesn't. But, the ones who don't are typically silenced.

Lastly, look at the undeniable fact that history is laced with forecasts of doom, none of which ever seem to pass. Scientists, if evaluated scientifically, have a pretty poor track record.
 

CAMasochism

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Lastly, look at the undeniable fact that history is laced with forecasts of doom, none of which ever seem to pass. Scientists, if evaluated scientifically, have a pretty poor track record.

I miss the old doomsday sayers, they were a lot more fun than the current lot. Now days they don't even have room for their "Repent the rapture is at hand" signs amid all the "Stop Oil NOW!" signs.

I liked the old scifi shows where we would blow the earth off it's orbit/axis with nukes.
 

CalG

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Well, It's raining here in Vermont.

I suppose all the smoke particles in the air are providing nucleation centers for the forming drops of rain. Amazing how nature heals it;s self.
 

standardparts

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Well, It's raining here in Vermont.

I suppose all the smoke particles in the air are providing nucleation centers for the forming drops of rain. Amazing how nature heals it;s self.
So does this re-create an acid rain situation?
 








 
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