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drcoelho

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Does the OP realize that we have an expectation of participating in the forum and not just selling? And this is pretty much hobby level machine. Not permitted.
Nah, this is not a hobby machine. This is a production machine, used in laboratories. It's small but very capable for what it does.

FYI, I bought a Rusnok a few years ago that came directly out of a defense contractor laboratory, even 2-3 years ago they were cutting aluminim and stainless steel on it.
 
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drcoelho

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When the Rusnok was being manufactured, CNC was very expensive and not suitable for benchtop lab usage, etc....as with everything, things have changed. That being said, if one were in the need for a very small form factor machine, this is a fabulous machine for that purpose. In todays world, probably a high-end hobbyist would be the target market, and there the price OP is asking is reasonable. FYI, in inflation adjusted dollars, the Rusnok when sold new was selling or $6-8K.

IMHO, this is not the best forum to be selling this machine, OP should be targeting the hobby community, but not because it is a hobby machine, but more because folks here are using larger, more capable, CNC machines in their shops.
 

guythatbrews

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I sold 2 of these for 3-3.5k in past 6 month.
Well the proof is in the pudding. Congrats to you!

Personally I can't see it even for watchmaking, etc. The dials are so small .001 marks gotta be close together, but I can't be sure from the pics. One big problem is the horrible collet system. That type of collet is pretty crummy. That single table slot is pretty inconvenient.
 

drcoelho

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Well the proof is in the pudding. Congrats to you!

Personally I can't see it even for watchmaking, etc. The dials are so small .001 marks gotta be close together, but I can't be sure from the pics. One big problem is the horrible collet system. That type of collet is pretty crummy. That single table slot is pretty inconvenient.
The uber solution is to put the Rusnok head on a larger platform, for example a Burke No 4 or similar. This still results in a very convenient size, movable by a single person, but with enough X/Y/Z to do more useful work. The Rusnok heads were designed specifically for this approach, similar to a Bridgeport M head. The DA100 collets work just fine, they are easily purchased, and have very good holding power...the only negative is that they are intolerant of deviations from their spec, so you can't squeeze down on undersized parts as you can with the ER system for example, but other than that they are very fine collets. And, with this kind of machine you are not gonna be hogging huge chunks of metal, this is a finese machine.
 

drcoelho

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Here is a video of just such a setup, Rusnok head with Burke No 4 mill, DRO and power feed added, nice little setup:

Note also the Burke adds horizonal spindle as well.
 

guythatbrews

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The DA100 collets work just fine, they are easily purchased, and have very good holding power...the only negative is that they are intolerant of deviations from their spec, so you can't squeeze down on undersized parts as you can with the ER system for example, but other than that they are very fine collets.
Never touched a Rusnok Mill so I'll stipulate I don't have much business talking about them, other than what may be gleaned from a picture.

But I've used a lot of DA collets and I disagree with your rating them a very fine collet. They do have a 1/64 collapse range, but even with an on-size tool you must check every time to make sure the tool runs true. If it does congrats, and buy a lottery ticket. If it doesn't, no worries. Just tap it around because the tool can move easily in a DA collet. That is their finest feature.

I don't think these collets are used in many new applications. And there is good reason for that!
 

90roadster

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Well the proof is in the pudding. Congrats to you!

Personally I can't see it even for watchmaking, etc. The dials are so small .001 marks gotta be close together, but I can't be sure from the pics. One big problem is the horrible collet system. That type of collet is pretty crummy. That single table slot is pretty inconvenient.
It’s no Sixis/Aciera as far as watchmaking goes, but it is fairly precise machine and even offers adjustable backlash for xy. The DA100 although I agree is not the most modern collet, at least is readily available unlike the Y type collet used in early rusnok model 70 heads.
 

L Vanice

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For those who have never seen one, this is a real watchmaker milling machine, made in America. It was designed by F. W. Derbyshire around 1940 and used for, among other things, making clockwork bomb fuses during WWII. Derbyshire's original and main product was watchmaker lathes and the founder started out at American Watch Tool Co., a first generation American innovator of watchmaker lathe design, around 1880. He was the superintendent when he left and founded his own company in 1911 and then bought the watch lathe part of AWT when they liquidated in 1918.

Most Micromills were horizontal with one or more lever feeds, but the spindle was missing when I found this one in 1983. I put a riser under the column, made a table feed screw and adapted a Derbyshire lathe head to make this into a useful vertical configuration.


Derbyshire CNC lathes (no mills): http://www.fwderbyshire.com/cnc.html

I had a Rusnok model 70 head that used Universal double taper collets, but sold it to PM member gwilson who has not posted since 2020.

Larry

Micromill vert 2.JPG
 

L Vanice

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Well damn, never too old to learn something ? I always thought derbyshire was from england, because of the name.

That little turret lathe looks cool :)
Derbyshire turrets are very rare, but I do have a Levin turret and two different model Gilmans. The tool holes are 1/2 inch and the headstocks take 10 mm collets, same as my Derbyshire mill. I understand Gilman gave their lathe designs to Derbyshire after WWII and some Gilman elements are visible in 1950's Derbyshire lathes.

Larry
 

90roadster

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Derbyshire turrets are very rare, but I do have a Levin turret and two different model Gilmans. The tool holes are 1/2 inch and the headstocks take 10 mm collets, same as my Derbyshire mill. I understand Gilman gave their lathe designs to Derbyshire after WWII and some Gilman elements are visible in 1950's Derbyshire lathes.

Larry
Very neat! Thank you for sharing
 

M.B. Naegle

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Derbyshire turrets are very rare, but I do have a Levin turret and two different model Gilmans. The tool holes are 1/2 inch and the headstocks take 10 mm collets, same as my Derbyshire mill. I understand Gilman gave their lathe designs to Derbyshire after WWII and some Gilman elements are visible in 1950's Derbyshire lathes.

Larry
I've got a South Bend 9" with a turret tail stock with 1/2" tool holes. I was told 1/2" was weird, or at least it wasn't common, so good to know I can look at old watch-maker lathe stuff.
 

L Vanice

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I've got a South Bend 9" with a turret tail stock with 1/2" tool holes. I was told 1/2" was weird, or at least it wasn't common, so good to know I can look at old watch-maker lathe stuff.
Fortunately, my Levin turret, which the pen company that bought the lathe new apparently never used, came with a bunch of unused Levin turret tools. I have added more over the years, but only bought a boring head direct from Levin. Here are current Levin prices for turret tools. Kind of steep, like $850 for a Jacobs 0 or 1A chuck with short 1/2" shank. They used to offer more types of turret tools. The turret itself is $16,750. They can sometimes be had for somewhat less on eBay.

https://www.levinlathe.com/page28.htm https://www.levinlathe.com/page18.htm

Some 5/8" shank turret tools can be turned down to 1/2", which I did to a Geometric 5/16D die head. But Levin is the only maker I have seen that actually more or less mass produced 1/2" turret tools.

Larry
 

M.B. Naegle

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Fortunately, my Levin turret, which the pen company that bought the lathe new apparently never used, came with a bunch of unused Levin turret tools. I have added more over the years, but only bought a boring head direct from Levin. Here are current Levin prices for turret tools. Kind of steep, like $850 for a Jacobs 0 or 1A chuck with short 1/2" shank. They used to offer more types of turret tools. The turret itself is $16,750. They can sometimes be had for somewhat less on eBay.

https://www.levinlathe.com/page28.htm https://www.levinlathe.com/page18.htm

Some 5/8" shank turret tools can be turned down to 1/2", which I did to a Geometric 5/16D die head. But Levin is the only maker I have seen that actually more or less mass produced 1/2" turret tools.

Larry
All good to know. Mine was a special order from SB and was primarily used by the original owner for contract Wright Aircraft gauge work (1960's to the 1980's), so I imagine going with the 1/2" system made sense as most of that stuff was probably designed around watchmaker lathes. I've thought about boring out the turret to 5/8", as I can always use reducers if needed.
 








 
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