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Or when a forced update breaks a file that worked yesterday and there's no going back.
Or when a forced update breaks a file that worked yesterday and there's no going back.
No. That would put them in competition with all the machine tool builders whom they need to be friends with to sell their tools.
It has good implications for many. For one thing, it slows the autodesk juggernaut of software takeovers, and provides at least some kind of alternative.
So first Gibbscam and now Mastercam. The pool keeps on shrinking.
We have Featurecam on subscription at work and it doesn't force updates I think I'm 2-3 versions behind.
they perhaps can force Autodesk into keeping the Fusion subscription as a loss-leader.
This is why machinists don't understand software. This isn't a physical good with a COGS; it's IP that can be copied and distributed with zero cost. There is no "loss leader" here.
If Sandvik was smart? They would just give MasterCAM away, and start tightly integrating it with their tools. Speeds and Feeds? Fully automatic and continually optimized. The tool library? Live, and automatically integrated with the Sandvik catalog. Now, that catalog is really unwieldily, but why not integrate it with the material/machine/operation so you can see exactly what Sandvik offers to optimize that cut you're taking? Or how about developing entirely new methods of machining where the CAM system is fully integrated with the tool design (see: Prime Turning).
Give it away? So how does Sandvik pay for all this? Fully integrated tool sales, right through your CAM system. One click ordering with overnight delivery. You don't even need to push it that hard in the interface; how many of us would love to ditch flipping through tooling vendor's fucking horrific catalogs and dealing with the distributor bozos who take a 50% cut of the sale and add no value? Jesus Christ - Sandvik could even guarantee the tool would work because they would know the exact params you used to cut with it!
This is a smart move for Sandvik if their managerial class doesn't bozo it up.
Give it away? So how does Sandvik pay for all this? Fully integrated tool sales, right through your CAM system. One click ordering with overnight delivery. You don't even need to push it that hard in the interface; how many of us would love to ditch flipping through tooling vendor's fucking horrific catalogs and dealing with the distributor bozos who take a 50% cut of the sale and add no value? Jesus Christ - Sandvik could even guarantee the tool would work because they would know the exact params you used to cut with it!
This is a smart move for Sandvik if their managerial class doesn't bozo it up.
I swear that's why they enabled contact output on by default as well as the drafting changes.
Alexander from NX said it was done at the behest of some big European machining trade group, not a particular customer. Very odd, as I don't know anyone who programs to contact point and comps the full diameter of a cutter in-control, only wear tweaks. I think I was the first guy on the NX forum to bitch about it... They fixed it in 1984 (I think?)
This is why machinists don't understand software. This isn't a physical good with a COGS; it's IP that can be copied and distributed with zero cost. There is no "loss leader" here.
So were you an I-DEAS or a Unigraphics user ?I think I was the first guy on the NX forum to bitch about it... They fixed it in 1984 (I think?)
That, coming from a guy who never misses the opportunity to defend Autodesk's strategy of going subscription-only, by citing the insanely high cost of software development at this level......
So were you an I-DEAS or a Unigraphics user ?
I'm gonna guess Uni ... but not sure where you found a forum in 1984 ? Mailing list ? Or newsgroups ?
I feel like I knew this was happening....
my post from 7/14/2021:
"One thing have my ear to the ground on is CNC Software...now they always pride themselves on being a family owned business through and through. I wonder if a $300 million offer by someone like Sandvik would change their tune. I would bet that they have been approached by multiple companies for a buyout. Either the number isn't high enough or they really are committed to the family model."
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