Feedback on the HAAS PreSetter

[BarnFab]

Has anyone used or own the HAAS Tool PreSetter (HTS 400 ) ? Looking for any feedback as it seems like an easy way to set and load tools between multiple machines and get more table space without the setter.

 

[OVodov]

Hey there.
The HAAS Tool PreSetter (HTS 400) is a tool measurement device that can save time and increase productivity by allowing you to set tool offsets offline. It can store data for up to 200 tools and be used with multiple machines. For user feedback, you can check online reviews or reach out to HAAS directly.

Sounds like an ads and not a real feedback.
we don't have one, we do have Shrink Fit Heater.
Shrink Fit Heater from Haas I wouldn't recommend, the one from Techniks in the same price range much better.

 

[marccongdon]

I can't tell if that's a horrible and deceptive corporate account or some rouge chatgpt bot. My understanding is that every taper is very slightly different from both factory and wear. The tool presetter is a good way to set up starting points for tons of tools that may be going to different machines but can't replace the accuracy of setting the tool in the exact spindle it will be cutting in. This was advise given to me from my first boss who was historically a little slow to catch up with modern trends so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

[LockNut]

I calibrate my off-line tool setter with the same calibration master that I use to calibrate my machine tool setter. Both off-line and machine TS jives within a few tenths. The only issue, although small, is that the machine is dual contact but the off-line TS is not.

 

[YoDoug]

Haas rarely builds their own accessories. They usually buy them and rebrand them under some kind of contract. The videos on the HTS400 make it look exactly like the Koma presetter we have. If that is the case it works well for us. Easy to switch between capto and CAT40. Easy to remaster when needed. We even use it to quickly check surface blends on turned serpentine pulleys.

 

[BarnFab]

Yeah I have been told that the HAAS is a rebadge of a Zoller but it may have been a Koma either way it is a rebadge not made by HAAS although it does integrate with HAAS Control easily and out of the box

 

[mhajicek]

Is the Koma or Zoller cheaper?

 

[crossthread82]

The Haas unit is a rebranded Koma Prime.

Is the Koma or Zoller cheaper?

Likely the Koma, Zoller stuff being German tends to be on the pricier side.

I can't vouch for how well these work I've never used it or a Koma presetter before. We have a Speroni STP Magis 500 and that thing is slick, it's also 5x the price of the haas once it has all the options with it.

Once you have one you'll wonder why you didn't get one sooner. It makes things like setting up a boring head a breeze.

 

[YoDoug]

Is the Koma or Zoller cheaper?

When we bought our Koma prime it was about 10% less than the HTS400 price on the Haas website, but the Haas comes with a little more functionality.

 

[BarnFab]

When we bought our Koma prime it was about 10% less than the HTS400 price on the Haas website, but the Haas comes with a little more functionality.

Thanks for the feedback

 

[D Nelson]

Hey there.
The HAAS Tool PreSetter (HTS 400) is a tool measurement device that can save time and increase productivity by allowing you to set tool offsets offline. It can store data for up to 200 tools and be used with multiple machines. For user feedback, you can check online reviews or reach out to HAAS directly.

What would you do about tool breakage detection without the table sensor?

 

[BarnFab]

What would you do about tool breakage detection without the table sensor?

Nothing, same as I do about it now 99% of the time

 

[slodat]

Interested if anyone has one of these Haas presetters? Looks like m.conti is the OEM in Italy.

 

[jrfiggz]

I was wondering if anyone with these tool setters could provide an Image of the barcode for scanning as well as the output of the OFS file for usb loading? It'd be awesome for those with dedicated holders for their tools.

 

[BobVawter]

I added one of these HTS400's to my workshop. It's basic, but it's helping me get my tapered thread-milling and other oddball profile cutters dialed in much faster.

To answer @jrfiggz question, the barcodes are DataMatrix and the payload looks like the following:

VER:0000;TOOL:44;ID:my__id;DESC:"4 shell";LENGTH:98.6183;DIA:206.3135;L_WEAR:0.0;D_WEAR:0.0;

The OFS file that it kicks out is a subset of the one you'd see by exporting the NGC's offsets table. [LIST PROGRAM] -> [F4] -> [Save Offsets] It's an XML document, but there's some kind of embedded checksum that I haven't figured out how to recreate yet.

One gotcha with the default NGC postprocessor on the HTS machine is that there's a relative paucity of information relative to the HTS software and the NGC's offset table (i.e. when you scroll to the right). It's only the id, description, length, and diameter.

<TOOL_OFFSET>
<TOOL1>
<ID>03-0549</ID>
<DESCRIPTION>4F 0.030R</DESCRIPTION>
<LENGTH_GEOMETRY>131.838</LENGTH_GEOMETRY>
<LENGTH_WEAR>0.0</LENGTH_WEAR>
<DIAMETER_GEOMETRY>12.720</DIAMETER_GEOMETRY>
<DIAMETER_WEAR>0.0</DIAMETER_WEAR>
</TOOL1>
</TOOL_OFFSET>

I did some poking around into the guts of the machine and figured out how to get the HTS to compute geometry wear instead and to add more info to the offsets table. I wrote it up in detail: https://github.com/bobvawter/hts-400-report but the gist is that you can edit the postprocessor to look like

<LENGTH_GEOMETRY>@L</LENGTH_GEOMETRY>
<LENGTH_WEAR>0.0</LENGTH_WEAR>
<DIAMETER_GEOMETRY>0.0</DIAMETER_GEOMETRY>
<DIAMETER_WEAR>@R(+@R(-@X(*2)))</DIAMETER_WEAR>
<ACTUAL_DIAMETER>@R(*2)</ACTUAL_DIAMETER>
<APPROX_DIAMETER>@X(*2)</APPROX_DIAMETER>
<APPROX_LENGTH>@Z</APPROX_LENGTH>
<COOLANT_POSITION>25</COOLANT_POSITION>

That will populate the extended columns in the offset page to make the SFM and chip-load meters show something. There's no place to set the number of teeth in the HTS software, but I'm still poking at the postprocessor to see if there's a way I can steal one of the other tool-definition fields.

 

[EmGo]

Interested if anyone has one of these Haas presetters? Looks like m.conti is the OEM in Italy.

Finally the right answer