Why is M71 on my 3M screen?

[Rub87]

I have 4 rolls of punch in the control cabinet. One says Parameter one says PLC software and one says L Taschenzyklen. The 4th is empty.

On the plcs top memory slot there is a card with a sticker saying 6FX1817-0AX15 so maybe that means its sw version 0A.

After making the handwheel tidy again I found out the middle bottom button doesnt seem to have a use. In the user options one can normally active either 100 10 or 1 micron increments. When I enable all 3 and then go to jog and go back it has disabled one again by itself. So I can only select either 1 or 10 micron. The 100 is always on.

According to the manual (might be I am reading in tbe wrong version) it should be possible to use all 3 and because I have 2 buttons that should be perfeclt possible.

Also in the manual they list at user option 25 bit 6 to auctomatically start a new program line with Nxx. But my option menu also lacks that option.

 

[Rub87]

Ok so the M71 means you are using the vert spindle in the 1:1 gear or the horiz spindle. If you use the vert spindle in 2:1 gear (63-6300 rpm) then you need to use a M72 in the program in order to have the correct spindle rpm, like for example if you would not use M72 you would end up with 4000 rpm when doing S2000. M71 is the default value.

 

[Mud]

Ok so the M71 means you are using the vert spindle in the 1:1 gear or the horiz spindle. If you use the vert spindle in 2:1 gear (63-6300 rpm) then you need to use a M72 in the program in order to have the correct spindle rpm, like for example if you would not use M72 you would end up with 4000 rpm when doing S2000. M71 is the default value.

Thank you!!
How did you find this?

 

[Rub87]

its in the user manual actually which I only recently got =)

Now im stuck with the G83 (L83) it always gives me a %99 error which means a parameter would be wrong but ive checked it 10 times I cant see what what parameter would be off. G81 works fine. Maybe something is wrong with the L83 cycle saved into the system but I only have the version which was on a floppy that came with the machine.

L8300
(01.06.85 )
N5 @03 6 R02 R10
R78 1 R65 0 R67 2
R64 0 R01 R63 0 R02 R66 1
R92 6408
@29 39110 R92
@01 1 R91 R65
R78 .0393
N1 @20 @92 R11
R67 .R05
R63 -R03
@03 2 R63 R65
R66-1
N2 R63 .R66
R78 .R66
G G60 G90 @92 R02
N3 R63 -R64
@03 4 R65 R63
R63 .R66 R62 0 R03
R62 R63
G1 @92 R62 M8
G4 F R04
G @92 R02
G4 F R00
R62 R78
@92 R62 -R78
R63 .R66
@03 4 R05 R63
R64 -R05
@02-3 R64 R05
R64 0 R05
@03-3 R63 R67
R64 0 R63 R62 2
R64 /R62
@00-3
N4 G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
G @92 R10
@00 7
N6 M99
N7 M17

 

[Mud]

Here is my file, is this useful? I see L83 in here

%SP
L8100
(BOHRZYKLEN L81-L89 )
(01.06.85 VAR)
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G @92 R02 M17
L8200
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
G @92 R02 M17
L8300
(01.06.85 )
R78 1 R65 0 R67 2
R64 0 R01 R63 0 R02 R66 1
R90 6408
@29 39110 R90
@01 1 R91 R65
R78 .0393
N1 @20 @92 R11
R67 .R05
R63 -R03
@03 2 R63 R65
R66-1
N2 R63 .R66
R78 .R66
G G60 G90 @92 R02
N3 R63 -R64
@03 4 R65 R63
R63 .R66 R62 0 R03
R62 R63
G1 @92 R62
G4 F R04
G @92 R02
G4 F R00
R62 R78
@92 R62 -R78
R63 .R66
@03 4 R05 R63
R64 -R05
@02-3 R64 R05
R64 0 R05
@03-3 R63 R67
R64 0 R63 R62 2
R64 /R62
@00-3
N4 G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
G @92 R02 M17
L8400
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02 M84
G1 G63 @92 R03
M R06
@92 R02
G G60 M R07
M80
M17
L8500
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G @92 R10 M17
L8600
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
M5
G4 F1
G @92 R10 M17
L8700
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
M5
M
M R07
G @92 R02 M17
L8800
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
M5
M
M R07
G @92 R02 M17
L8900
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
@92 R02
G M17
M02

 

[Rub87]

That def looks a lot better then mine.. in mine even the N xx are not follwing up anymore. Ill give it a go tomorrow. thanks!

 

[Rub87]

Here is my file, is this useful? I see L83 in here

%SP
L8100
(BOHRZYKLEN L81-L89 )
(01.06.85 VAR)
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G @92 R02 M17
L8200
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
G @92 R02 M17
L8300
(01.06.85 )
R78 1 R65 0 R67 2
R64 0 R01 R63 0 R02 R66 1
R90 6408
@29 39110 R90
@01 1 R91 R65
R78 .0393
N1 @20 @92 R11
R67 .R05
R63 -R03
@03 2 R63 R65
R66-1
N2 R63 .R66
R78 .R66
G G60 G90 @92 R02
N3 R63 -R64
@03 4 R65 R63
R63 .R66 R62 0 R03
R62 R63
G1 @92 R62
G4 F R04
G @92 R02
G4 F R00
R62 R78
@92 R62 -R78
R63 .R66
@03 4 R05 R63
R64 -R05
@02-3 R64 R05
R64 0 R05
@03-3 R63 R67
R64 0 R63 R62 2
R64 /R62
@00-3
N4 G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
G @92 R02 M17
L8400
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02 M84
G1 G63 @92 R03
M R06
@92 R02
G G60 M R07
M80
M17
L8500
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G @92 R10 M17
L8600
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
M5
G4 F1
G @92 R10 M17
L8700
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
M5
M
M R07
G @92 R02 M17
L8800
@20 @92 R11
M R07
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
M5
M
M R07
G @92 R02 M17
L8900
@20 @92 R11
G G60 G90 @92 R02
G1 @92 R03
G4 F R04
@92 R02
G M17
M02

works fine! do you also have the L9x cycles for slots and pockets?

 

[Mud]

Here are the other 2 files I have. First one here.
%SP
L9200
(PARAMETER LOESCHEN FUER L93)
(07.08.84)
R22 0 R23 0 R24 0 R25 0 R26 0 R27 0 M17
L9300
(BOHRBILD AUF GERADE)
(07.08.84)
@00 R11
N1 @00 800
N2 @20 @90 1 @20 @91 3
@00 5
N3 @20 @90 1 @20 @91 2
N5 G R28
G90 G80
R55 0 R22 R56 0 R23
R50 0 R51 1 R52 1 R53 1 R54-1
@01 50 R50 R24
@01 50 R51 R24
N10 G R28 G91 @90 0 R55 @91 0 R56
G90 G80
R52 R51
@01 55 R52 R24
@00-10
N50 @01 1000 R50 R27
@01 1000 R51 R27
N51 G R28 G91 @90 0 R25 @91 0 R26
G90 G80
R53 R51
@01 1000 R53 R27
@00-51
N55 @01 1000 R50 R27
@01 1000 R51 R27
N56 @01 1000 R53 R27
N57 G R28 G91 @90 0 R25 @91 0 R26
G90 G80
R53 R51
R55 .R54
R56 .R54
R52 1
@00-10
N800 M99
N1000 M17
L9400
(FRAESBILD NUT 07.08.84)
(SW02)
@00 R11
N1 @00 40
N2 G18
@20 @90-1 @20 @91 3 @20 @92 2
R50-1 R51 180
@00 4
N3 G17
@20 @90 1 @20 @91 2 @20 @92 3
R50 1 R51 0
N4 R55 2 R56 0 R78 1 R65 1 R66 0 R61 0 R25 R81 2000 R82 1 R17 2
R19-.1 R41 360 R32 90
R61 R51
@03 40 R12 R13
@03 40 R56 R27
@31
R90 6408
@29 39110 R90
@01 10 R91 R56
R78 .0393 R17 .1 R19-.004
N10 @29 18020 R82
R81 R80
@29 16001 R81
R67 0 R26
@02 15 R26 R56
R67 360
R67 /R27
N15 R57 0 R12
R57 /R55
@02 40 R60 R57
N18 R20 0 R02
R97 1150
R02 R78
N20 R58 0 R24
R58 R57
R88 0 R19
R88 R57
@01 23 R60 R57
@02 24 R57 R60
N23 R59 0 R13
R59 -R12
R60 0 R58
R60 R59
N24 R98 0 R61 R99 0 R61
R99 R32
@02 1000 R41 R98
R98 -R41
N1000 @02 1100 R41 R99
R99 -R41
N1100 @15 R98
@15 R99
R98 .R58
R99 .R58
R98 R23
R22 .R50
R99 R22
R22 .R50
@00 R97
N1150 G G40 @90 0 R99 @91 0 R98
G @92 0 R02
@01 26 R01 R56
N25 R20 -R01
@02 30 R20 R03
N26 R20 0 R03
N30 G1 @92 0 R20 F R04
@02 32 R57 R60
R97 1400
R63 0 R58
R64 0 R60
R58 0 R64
R60 0 R63
@00-24
N1400 G1 @90 0 R99 @91 0 R98 F R15
@01 35 R03 R20
@00-25
N32 R59 0 R13
R59 -R12
R30 0 R61 R31 0 R61
R31 R32
@02 330 R41 R30
R30 -R41
N330 @02 33 R41 R31
R31 -R41
N33 @15 R30
@15 R31
R33 0 R59 R34 0 R59
R33 .R31
R34 .R30
R35 0 R57 R36 0 R57
R35 .R31
R36 .R30
R37 0 R35 R38 0 R36
R37 .R55
R38 .R55
R39 0 R57
R39 -R60
R39 /R57
R39 .R15
@03 34 R39 R17
R39 0 R17
N34 @02 3400 R60 R88
G1 G91 G60 G41 @90 0 -R36 @91 0 R35 F R15
G64 G3 @90 0 R38 @91 0 -R37 P R57 F R39
G1 @90 0 R33 @91 0 R34 F R15
G3 @90 0 -R38 @91 0 R37 P R57 F R39
G1 G60 @90 0 -R33 @91 0 -R34 F R15
G40 @90 0 R36 @91 0 -R35
@00 3500
N3400 R33 R35
R33 R35
R34 R36
R34 R36
G1 G91 G60 G41 @90 0 -R35 @91 0 -R36 F R15
@90 0 R36 @91 0 -R35
@90 0 R33 @91 0 R34
@90 0 -R38 @91 0 R37
@90 0 -R33 @91 0 -R34
@90 0 R36 @91 0 -R35
G40 @90 0 R35 @91 0 R36
N3500 G90
@01 35 R03 R20
@00-25
N35 G @92 0 R02
R02 -R78
R66 R65
@01 50 R66 R27
R61 R67
@00-18
N40 M99
N50 M17
L9500
(RECHTECKTASCHE,01.06.85)
(PARAMETERPRUEFEN)
R44 0 R45 1 R46 2 R47 3 R48 1
@03 40 R44 R12
@03 40 R44 R13
@02 40 R44 R24
@03 40 R03 R02
R42 0 R02 R43 0 R02
@02 40 R46 R06
@02 40 R06 R47
@01 10 R06 R47
@02 40 R06 R46
N10 @31
@29 19920 R45
@01 40 R99 R44
R98 2000
R98 R99
@29 16001 R98
@03 40 R44 R60
@02 20 R12 R13
R70 0 R13 R71 0 R12
@00 30
N20 R70 0 R12 R71 0 R13
N30 R81 0 R71
R81 /R46
@02 40 R60 R81
@02 32 R81 R24
@02 32 R70 R71
@01 40 R81 R24
N32 @03 40 R24 R81
@01 40 R11 R45
R91 0 R24
@02 35 R91 R44
R91 0 R60
N35 @02 40 R60 R91
@00 50
N40 M99
@00 360
(ANWAHLDEREBENE)
N50 @00 R11
N2 G18
@20 @90 1 @20 @91 3 @20 @92 2
@00 60
N3 G17 @20 @90 1 @20 @91 2 @20 @92 3
(BERECHNUNGZUSTELLACHSE)
N60 R96 6408
@29 39710 R96
@01 70 R97 R44
R48 .0393
N70 @02 80 R43 R03
R42 0 R02
R42 R45
G @92 R42
@00 360
N80 @01 90 R42 R02
R42 0 R43
R42 R48
G @92 R42
@00 100
N90 R42 R48
N100 @01 110 R01 R44
R43 -R01
@02 120 R43 R03
N110 R43 0 R03
(POSITIONIERENUNDZUSTELLEN)
N120 M60
G G90 G40 @90 R22 @91 R23 @92 R42
G1 @92 R43 F R04
(DEFINITIONDERACHSEN)
@01 160 R11 R46
@01 140 R06 R47
@02 130 R13 R12
R50 1 R51 2 R53 42
@00 210
N130 R50 2 R51 1 R53 42
@00 200
N140 @02 150 R13 R12
R50 1 R51 2 R53 41
@00 200
N150 R50 2 R51 1 R53 41
@00 210
N160 @01 180 R06 R47
@01 170 R13 R12
R50 1 R51 3 R53 42
@00 200
N170 R50 3 R51 1 R53 42
@00 210
N180 @01 190 R13 R12
R50 1 R51 3 R53 41
@00 210
N190 R50 3 R51 1 R53 41
N200 @20 @90 -R50 @20 @91 R51
@00 220
N210 @20 @90 R50 @20 @91 R51
(BERECHNUNGFRAESEBENE)
N220 R72 1.6 R75 0
R80 0 R70 R81 0 R71
R80 /R46
R81 /R46
R87 0 R81
R87 /R46
@02 225 R87 R60
R75 R45
R72 0 R71
@00 290
N225 R72 .R60
R83 0 R80 R84 0 R81
R84 /R72
N230 R84 -R45
R75 R45
@03-230 R84 R45
@02 240 R84 R44
R85 0 R72
@00 290
N240 R84 .R72
R76 .2
R76 .R60
@02 270 R84 R76
@02 250 R75 R45
R72 0 R71
@00 260
N250 R85 0 R72
R85 R84
N260 @00 290
N270 @02 280 R60 R84
R85 0 R84
R75 R45
@00 290
(RECHNENNEUESCHNITTBREITE)
N280 R72 0 R81
R75 R45
R72 /R75
R85 0 R72
(BAHNRECHNEN)
N290 R80 0 R70 R81 0 R71
R80 /R46
R81 /R46
@02 300 R75 R45
R91 0 R24
R92 0 R81
R93 0 R70 R94 0 R71
@00 350
N300 R80 -R81
R81 -R24
R92 0 R85
@00 320
N310 R92 0 R72
R85 R92
R96 0 R92
R92 R60
R80 -R60
N320 R80 R92
R93 0 R80
R93 .R46
R94 0 R85
R94 .R46
(RADIUSBERECHNUNG)
@02 330 R85 R81
R91 0
@00 340
N330 R91 0 R85
R91 -R81
@03 340 R91 R60
R91 0
(FRAESEN)
N340 @01 350 R75 R45
R75 -R45
G1 G64 G91 G R53 @91 0 R92 F R15
@90 0 R80 P R91
@91 0 -R94 P R91
@90 0 -R93 P R91
@91 0 R94 P R91
@90 0 R80
G40 @91 -R60
G90 G60
@00-310
N350 R92 R60
R95 0 R92
R95 /R46
G1 G64 G91 G R53 @91 0 -R60 F R15
G R06 @91 0 R92 P R95
G1 @90 0 R80 P R91
@91 0 -R94 P R91
@90 0 -R93 P R91
@91 0 R94 P R91
@90 0 R80
G R06 @91 0 -R92 P R95
G1 G40 G60 @91 0 R60
G90
@00-50
N360 M62
G4 X.2
M17
L9600
(KREISTASCHE 07.08.84)
(SW02)
@00 R11
N1 @00 140
N2 G18 R85-1
@20 @90-1 @20 @91 3 @20 @92 2
@00 4
N3 G17 R85 1
@20 @90 1 @20 @91 2 @20 @92 3
N4 R55 2 R81 2000 R56 0 R58 1 R78 1 R17 2
R22 .R85
@31
@29 18020 R58
@01 140 R80 R56
R81 R80
@29 16001 R81
@03 140 R56 R60
R90 6408
@29 39110 R90
@01 50 R91 R56
R78 .0393 R17 .1
N50 @02 140 R60 R24
@03 140 R03 R02
R50 1.6
R50 .R60
R20 0 R02
R02 R78
G G90 G40 @90 0 R22 @91 0 R23 @92 0 R02
@01 70 R01 R56
N60 R20 -R01
@01 70 R60 R24
@02 80 R20 R03
N70 R20 0 R03
N80 G1 @92 0 R20 F R04
@01 130 R60 R24
R34 0 R24
R34 -R60
R77 1
R34 /R50
@02 90 R34 R58
R51 0 R24
R51 -R60
R53 0 R22
R18 0 R51
R18 R22
R10 0 R18
R10 -R53
@00 125
N90 @02 100 R58 R34
R34 -R58
R77 R58
@00-90
N100 R61 0 R60
R34 .R50
R61 -R50
R51 0 R34
@02 110 R34 R61
R51 R61
N110 R45 0 R22
R45 R51
R46 0 R51 R47 0 R51
R46 R60
R47 /R46
R47 .R15
@03 111 R47 R17
R47 0 R17
N111 R54 0 R22
R54 -R51
G1 G64 @90 0 R45 F R15
G R06 @90 0 R54 P R51 F R47
@90 0 R45 P R51
R53 0 R51
R51 R50
R77 -R58
@02-110 R77 R58
N120 R10 0 R50
R18 0 R51
R18 R22
R53 R22
N125 R10 /R55
R54 0 R22
R54 -R51
R46 0 R51 R47 0 R51
R46 R60
R47 /R46
R47 .R15
@03 121 R47 R17
R47 0 R17
N121 G64 G R06 @90 0 R18 P R10 F R47
@90 0 R54 P R51
@90 0 R18 P R51
@90 0 R53 P R10
G G91 @92 0 R78
G90 @90 0 R22 @91 0 R23
@01 130 R20 R03
@00-60
N130 G @92 0 R02
R02 -R78
R22 .R85
@00 150
N140 M99
N150 M17
L9700
(BOHRBILD KREIS 07.08.84)
@00 R11
N1 @00 50
N2 @20 @90-1 @20 @91 3
G18 R80-1 R81 180
@00 100
N3 @20 @90 1 @20 @91 2
G17 R80 1 R81 0
N100 R59 0
@03 50 R59 R24
@03 50 R59 R27
N1 R50 360 R58 360
N2 R50 /R27
N3 R52 0 R53 1
N4 @01 6 R26 R52
N5 R50 0 R26
N6 R51 0 R25
R51 R81
N7 R54 90 R51
N500 @02 26 R59 R54
@03 22 R54 R58
N8 @15 R54
N9 R55 0 R51
N600 @02 27 R59 R55
@03 24 R55 R58
N10 @15 R55
N11 R56 0 R24
N12 R56 .R54
R22 .R80
N13 R56 R22
R22 .R80
N14 R57 0 R24
N15 R57 .R55
N16 R57 R23
N17 G40 G R28 @90 R56 @91 R57
G80
N18 R51 R50
N19 R52 R53
N20 @02-7 R27 R52
N21 @00 60
N22 R54 -R58
N23 @00-500
N24 R55 -R58
N25 @00-600
N26 R60-360
@02-8 R54 R60
R54 R58
@00-500
N27 @02-10 R55 R60
R55 R58
@00-600
N50 M99
N60 M17
L9800
(FRAESBILD LANGLOCH 07.08.84)
(SW02)
@00 R11
N1 @00 40
N2 G18 R50-1 R51 180
@20 @90-1 @20 @91 3 @20 @92 2
@00 4
N3 G17 R50 1 R51 0
@20 @90 1 @20 @91 2 @20 @92 3
N4 R55 2 R56 0 R78 1 R65 1 R66 0 R61 0 R25
R41 360 R32 90
R61 R51
@03 40 R12 R13
@03 40 R56 R27
@31
R90 6408
@29 39110 R90
@01 10 R91 R56
R78 .0393
N10 R67 0 R26
@02 15 R26 R56
R67 360
R67 /R27
N15 R57 0 R12
R57 /R55
N18 R20 0 R02
R97 1150
R02 R78
N20 R58 0 R24
R58 R57
R59 0 R13
R59 -R12
R60 0 R58
R60 R59
N24 R98 0 R61 R99 0 R61
R99 R32
@02 1000 R41 R98
R98 -R41
N1000 @02 1100 R41 R99
R99 -R41
N1100 @15 R98
@15 R99
R98 .R58
R99 .R58
R98 R23
R22 .R50
R99 R22
R22 .R50
@00 R97
N1150 G G60 G40 @90 0 R99 @91 0 R98
@92 0 R02
@01 26 R01 R56
N25 R20 -R01
@02 30 R20 R03
N26 R20 0 R03
N30 R97 1400
R63 0 R58
R64 0 R60
R58 0 R64
R60 0 R63
@00-24
N1400 G1 @92 0 R20 F R04
@90 0 R99 @91 0 R98 F R15
@01 35 R03 R20
@00-25
N35 G @92 0 R02
R02 -R78
R66 R65
@01 50 R66 R27
R61 R67
@00-18
N40 M99
N50 M17
M02

 

[Mud]

2nd file here.

%SP
L90000 (05.10.83[VAR]) R55 2 R56 0 R58 1 R59-1 R78 1 R81 2000 R89 1
@31
R90 6408 @29 39110 R90
@01 1 R91 R56
R78 .03937
N1 @29 18020 R58
R81 R80 @29 16001 R81
@02 2 R60 R56
R60 .R59
N2 R60 R14 R63 0 R13 R62 0 R12 R72 0 R12
R60 .R55 R73 0 R13 R76 2
R62 -R60
R72 -R60
R63 -R60
R73 -R60
R60 /R55
@02 99 R56 R62
@02 99 R56 R63
R60 -R14 @10 R76
R60 .R76
R72 /R55
R73 /R55 R95 0 R02
R95 -R16
R95 -R03 @00 R11
N1 R50 2 R51 3 @00 4
N2 R50 3 R51 1 @00 4
N3 R50 1 R51 2
N4 R52 0 R11
@02 3 R13 R12
R90 1 R82 0 R22 R83 0 R23 @00 6
N3 R53 0 R51 R51 0 R50 R50 0 R53 R62 0 R63
R73 0 R72 R90-1 R82 0 R23 R83 0 R22
N6 R62 /R55 R61 0 R60
R97 0 R61
@20 @90 0 R50
@20 @91 0 R51
@20 @92 0 R52
R02 R78
R62 .R90
G G90 G40 @90 0 R82 @91 0 R83
@92 0 R02
G60 G91 @90 0 -R62 @91 0 -R73
R62 .R55 R99 0 R62
R73 .R55 R98 0 R73
N4 R69 0 R03 R80 0
R69 R16
@01 8 R01 R56
@03 8 R01 R95
R95 -R01 R80 2
@03 5 R95 R01
R95 R01
R95 /R80
N5 R69 R95
N8 R70 0 G1 F R04 G90 @92 0 R69
N7 G1 F R15 G91 @90 0 R62
R70 .R55
@03 9 R70 R55
G90 G1 F R04 @92 0 R02
G G91 @90 0 -R62
G1 G90 @92 0 R69
R73 -R60
@03 10 R73 R60
R73 R60
@03 11 R70 R58
R73 /R55 R70 .5
N11 R60 0 R73
R61 R60
N10 G1 F R15 G91 @91 0 R60
@00-7
N9 G1 G91 @91 0 -R98
G90 G1 F R04 @92 0 R02
@03 12 R80 R58
G G90 @90 0 R82 @91 0 R83
@00 13
N12 G G91 @90 0 -R62
R60 0 R97 R61 0 R97 R73 0 R98 R62 0 R99
@00-4
N99 M99
G04 X.2
N13 R02 -R78 M17
L90100 (05.10.83[VAR]) R55 2 R56 0 R58 1 R59-1 R78 1 R81 2000 R89 1
@31
R90 6408 @29 39110 R90
@01 1 R91 R56
R78 .03937
N1 @29 18020 R58
R81 R80 @29 16001 R81
@02 2 R60 R56
R60 .R59
N2 R60 R14 R63 0 R13 R62 0 R12 R72 0 R12
R60 .R55 R73 0 R13 R76 2
R62 -R60
R72 -R60
R63 -R60
R73 -R60
R60 /R55
@02 99 R56 R62
@02 99 R56 R63
R60 -R14 @10 R76
R60 .R76 R95 0 R02
R95 -R03
R95 -R16
R72 /R55
R73 /R55 @00 R11
N1 R50 2 R51 3 @00 4
N2 R50 3 R51 1 @00 4
N3 R50 1 R51 2
N4 R52 0 R11
@02 3 R13 R12
R90 1 R82 0 R22 R83 0 R23 @00 4
N3 R53 0 R51 R51 0 R50 R50 0 R53 R62 0 R63
R73 0 R72 R90-1 R82 0 R23 R83 0 R22
N4 R62 /R55 R61 0 R60 R53 0 R82 R54 0 R83
R97 0 R61
@20 @90 0 R50
@20 @91 0 R51
@20 @92 0 R52
R02 R78
R62 .R90
R82 -R62
R83 -R73
G G90 G40 @90 0 R53 @91 0 R54
@92 0 R02
G60 G91 @90 0 -R62 @91 0 -R73
R62 .R55 R99 0 R62
R73 .R55 R98 0 R73
N7 R69 0 R03 R80 0
R69 R16
@01 9 R01 R56
@03 9 R01 R95
R95 -R01 R80 2
@03 8 R95 R01
R95 R01
R95 /R80
N8 R69 R95
N9 R70 0 G1 F R04 G90 @92 0 R69
N5 G91 F R15 @90 0 R62
R70 .R55
@03 13 R70 R55
R73 -R60
@03 12 R73 R60
R73 R60
@03 6 R70 R58
R73 /R55 R70 .5
N6 R60 0 R73
R61 R60
N12 @91 0 R60
R62 .R59 @00-5
N13 @91 0 -R98
G1 F R04 G90 @92 0 R02
G G91 @90 0 -R62
G1 G90 G9 @92 0 R69
F R15 G91 @91 0 R98
G1 F R04 G90 @92 0 R02
@03 14 R80 R58
G @90 0 R53 @91 0 R54
@00 15
N14 G @90 0 R82 @91 0 R83
R60 0 R97 R61 0 R97 R73 0 R98 R62 0 R99
@00-7
N99 M99
G04 X.2
N15 R02 -R78 M17
L90200 (01.06.85[VAR]) R55 2 R56 0 R58 1 R59-1 R78 1 R81 2000 R88 0 R89 1
@31
R90 6408 @29 39110 R90
@01 1 R91 R56
R78 .03937
N1 @29 18020 R58
R81 R80 @29 16001 R81
R79 0 R60
@02 2 R60 R56
R60 .R59
N2 R62 0 R12 R72 0 R12 R76 2
R60 R14 R63 0 R13 R73 0 R13
R60 .R55
R62 -R60
R72 -R60
R63 -R60
R73 -R60
R60 /R55
@02 99 R56 R62
@02 99 R56 R63
R60 -R14
R72 /R55 R91 0 R22 R92 0 R22
R73 /R55 R93 0 R23 R94 0 R23
R91 R72
R92 -R72
R93 R73
R94 -R73 R95 0 R02
R95 -R03 R64 .3 R75 .6
R62 -R75
R72 -R64
R63 -R75
R73 -R64 @10 R76
R60 .R76 @00 R11
N1 R50 2 R51 3 @00 4
N2 R50 3 R51 1 @00 4
N3 R50 1 R51 2
N4 R52 0 R11
@02 3 R13 R12
R90 1 R82 0 R22 R83 0 R23 @00 4
N3 R53 0 R51 R51 0 R50 R50 0 R53 R90-1
R62 0 R63 R73 0 R72 R82 0 R23 R83 0 R22
N4 R62 /R55
R61 0 R60 R97 0 R61 R53 0 R82 R54 0 R83
@20 @90 R50
@20 @91 R51
@20 @92 R52
R02 R78
R62 .R90
G G90 G40 @90 0 R82 @91 0 R83
R82 -R62
R83 -R73 R74 0 R64
R74 .R90
R62 R74
R73 R64
@92 0 R02
G60 G91 @90 0 -R62 @91 0 -R73
R62 .R55
R73 .R55
R77 10 @00 7
N10 F R15 G91 @90 0 R62
@91 0 R73
@90 0 -R62
@91 0 -R73
@03 7 R80 R58
G1 F R04 G90 @92 0 R02
R62 -R74
R62 -R74 R99 0 R62
R73 -R64
R73 -R64 R98 0 R73
R02 -R78 R95 0 R02
R95 -R03
G G91 @90 0 R74 @91 0 R64
N30 R69 0 R03 R77 35 R71 0 @00 9
N35 G91 F R15 @90 0 R62
R70 .R55
@03 13 R70 R55
R73 -R60
@03 12 R73 R60
R73 R60
@03 11 R70 R58
R73 /R55 R70 .5
N11 R60 0 R73
R61 R60
N12 @91 0 R60
R62 .R59
@01 16 R88 R56
R88 0 @00-35
N16 R88 1 @00-35
N13 R02 R78
G1 F R04 @92 0 R02 G90
R02 -R78
@03 14 R80 R58
R83 R98 @91 0 R83
R69 R16 R84 0 R14 R85 0 R00 R80 0 R87 0
R62 0 R99 R73 0 R98 R74 0 R64 R96 0
R74 .R55
R73 R74
R74 .R90
R62 R74
@01 50 R00 R56
N5 @03 50 R00 R84
R84 -R00
@03 6 R84 R00
R84 R00
R84 /R55 R85 0 R84
N6 R74 0 R85
R74 .R55
R73 R74
R74 .R90
R62 R74
R74 /R55
@01 41 R96 R58
R85 R64 R74 0 R85 R96 1
R74 .R90
N41 @01 42 R88 R56
G1 G91 @90 0 -R74 @91 0 R85
@00 44
N42 G G91 @90 0 R74 @91 0 R85
N44 R69 0 R03
G9 G90 G1 F R04 @92 0 R69
@01 46 R88 R56
G91 F R15 @91 0 -R73
@90 0 R62
@91 0 R73
@90 0 -R62
@00 48
N46 G91 F R15 @90 0 -R62
@91 0 -R73
@90 0 R62
@91 0 R73
N48 R02 R78
G90 G1 F R04 @92 0 R02
R02 -R78
@01 15 R80 R58
@01-5 R87 R58
@01-5 R96 R56
R85 -R64 R87 1 @00-5
N50 R80 1
@01-6 R96 R58
R85 0 R14
@00-6
N14 G @90 0 R82 @91 0 R83
R60 0 R97 R61 0 R97 R73 0 R98 R62 0 R99 R88 0
@00-30
N7 R69 0 R03 R80 0
@01 9 R01 R56
@03 9 R01 R95
R95 -R01 R80 2
@03 8 R95 R01
R95 R01
R95 /R55
N8 R69 R95
N9 R70 0 G1 G90 F R04 @92 0 R69
@00 -R77
N99 M99
G04 X.2
@00 98
N15 G @90 0 R53 @91 0 R54
N98 M17
M02

 

[AlfaGTA]

John:

Just curious here. Can you summarize what that code is all about?

Cheers Ross

 

[Mud]

John:

Just curious here. Can you summarize what that code is all about?

Cheers Ross

Nope.
They came with the machine on floppies. I understand when the control is restarted after changing the memory batteries or disassembly, these need to be reloaded like parameters. Or else they are stored in memory somewhere for the program code to call as fixed cycles when needed. I think it's the latter. I took that machine apart to move it and never used it to make a chip after I got it here because I bought my FP7 and this FP4nc got pushed aside. I believe the Dialog controls store all this on firmware.
Hopefully @Rub87 can shed some light on this. Or someone else with a 3M?

 

[AlfaGTA]

OK was just wondering, code does not look like any parameters I have seen or any program code.
Cheers Ross

 

[Martin P]

What you see there is Sinumerik Parameter programming.
There are many pages on how to do that with "@" addresses and "R" parameters. I have not turned those pages.
I understand it so that the Programs are in the EPROMs. The Tailoring to the specific machine is on the free loadable data (on punch tape). The machine capabilities are then enhanced by the "cycles" which are basically parameter programs and also show in the guided user interface on screen.
For example my Weiler 160 has only 3 cycles from the factory (beyond what is on the Eproms). I think more were coming later and I should be able to just add them by reading them in. Not sure yet.
So with Deckel Grundig one would need new Eproms, and with Siemens you would just read in the latest cycles (up to a degree).
The Siemens manuals show how to make your own cycles, but I turned those pages over real fast and in horror. All this is not written in a style to make it easy or logical or findable.

 

[AlfaGTA]

Thanks John and Martin.
Looks like it could be powerful feature of the control.
Might be fun to play with....
Cheers Ross

 

[Rub87]

Yes, real powerful but you have to get your head into it and not after having 6 beers or so

So I was wondering why in the 3M GA 4C manual dated 8.88 I don't seem to find a reference to the use of the conditional operators (@01 to @03). these seem very powerful to mil for example a certain dept in steps without having to write the same contour again and again w a different Z (as theres only 128 kB progam memory). I found a manual for the Sinumerik 8 which details the use of them. here is a link to it: https://adegis.com/media/asset/dd745449543a197c364937eaa9671a44927a1911ea1a0028058ba67ba1a8799c.pdf

I am going to try if they also work in a normal part program %xxx or the need to be in a sub program (Lxxxx) that needs to be called in from a part program. The more I learn about this control the more i'm blown away by its possibilities given being from early 80'ies. Next thing I am going to try is to connect a encoder to the spindle and see how well it can do rigid tapping (G33)

 

[Martin P]

Next thing I am going to try is to connect a encoder to the spindle and see how well it can do rigid tapping (G33)

If you get this done I will applaud you!
On my lathe with Sinumerik 810T this was an option, which it has (lathe must have it) and it is also G33. I have no clue how this is actually hooked up and processed since I never looked. I do know there is a rotary encoder driven by the spindle via a belt. I wonder if such option is simply switched on through a parameter once you have the encoder.
While there is a lot of documentation on the Siemens support web site, the one thing I cannot find at all is any info to understand the configuration side. It seems no two cards are ever the same. Part numbers are constantly changing and it is completely unclear what fits what or goes with what.
And yes, I too am completely blown away by what they did in the 80ies. All the modern stuff are just refinements and improvements, some of which I wish I had, but almost nothing is essential.