thank you all for the responses, thank you for your help! it looks like I'm going to have to tell my boss to kick dirt and actually pay for one, the reason I haven't disclosed the company I work for is because I suspect the Mastercam licenses we have are cracked, and I know sometimes people get pissy about that, he told me that after I posted the original thread that he could modify the files from any mastercam version, so on the rare chance that someone has the machine I could probably convince bossman to trade some files for the other machines in the shop, (several big DOOSAN/Haas I can give a real list if anyone cares) , for the required 5axis files